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they realize that our taxes are going to be up a little bit. they know there is going to reform to social security and medicare, they want to know so they know how to plan for their companies. i hope it's resolved before i get there if not so be it, i see this as an opportunity for america to lead the way. china is slowing down. india is slowing down. europe is in a recession. south america is slowing down. we have an opportunity to lead out of this mess. i hope we take the lead. >> jennifer: everyone wants to prevent going over over the cliff you still will have a lot of issues on how best to lead the country forward. allen west will be gone but there will be tea partyers remain. how do you work with people who think compromise is a bad word? >> look, i was just earlier with the republican part of my district today and met with a lot of republican commissioners. the message i told them is what i told everybody. whether you're a republican, democrat, i have an open door. i want to hear your thoughts, your concerns and i want to be your voice in
they realize that our taxes are going to be up a little bit. they know there is going to reform to social security and medicare, they want to know so they know how to plan for their companies. i hope it's resolved before i get there if not so be it, i see this as an opportunity for america to lead the way. china is slowing down. india is slowing down. europe is in a recession. south america is slowing down. we have an opportunity to lead out of this mess. i hope we take the lead. >>...
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we don't want to pay higher taxes, but are willing to pay higher taxes as a program of shared sacrifice, which we think would make sense under the circumstances. >> eliot: and you also reject the premise of the entire republican argument, which is if you raise these tax rates margin ally on the so-called job creators somehow that will harm our economy. >> that's utterly ridiculous. first it's false imperically. we want through the analysis with bruce bartlett, who articulated them very well. as buffet pointed out in his op-ed piece taxes went up from 2000 when clinton was in and the second part of the reagan administration because of the imbalances created by the reagan tax cuts and we created 23 million jobs. by the same token, you know, the tax cuts to the wealthy were extended a number of times including by president obama under duress and starting in 2009 that create add boom in financial assets, but didn't produce many jobs. those are just anecdotal situations, but you can see there have been studies done including most recent one, which was suppressed by the republicans. >> eliot:
we don't want to pay higher taxes, but are willing to pay higher taxes as a program of shared sacrifice, which we think would make sense under the circumstances. >> eliot: and you also reject the premise of the entire republican argument, which is if you raise these tax rates margin ally on the so-called job creators somehow that will harm our economy. >> that's utterly ridiculous. first it's false imperically. we want through the analysis with bruce bartlett, who articulated them...
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because the progressive tax rates, they encourage all sorts of tax evasion tax be avoidance and you know, they alter people's behavior in order to reduce their tax liability. so you know instead of investing here, you'll invest in some other country with a lower tax rate. you've had those kind of behaviors which would be narrow and progressive tax rates. hence, the money that you raise at the end of the day is not very much. >> eliot: you raise and sharpen our focus on the other side of the equation. as i was reading the article i said wait a minute, we're focusing so much on how we raise the money rather than how and where we spend it. and how much we spend. in a way we've been sucked into this debate about making a tax system progressive without looking as you say we should at how much we spend on the social programs that actually do redistribute. >> that's right. that's what really makes a difference. if you look at how effective taxes are at reducing inequality, they're really not very effective anywhere. what's really effective is spending. because you know, you can really -- if you
because the progressive tax rates, they encourage all sorts of tax evasion tax be avoidance and you know, they alter people's behavior in order to reduce their tax liability. so you know instead of investing here, you'll invest in some other country with a lower tax rate. you've had those kind of behaviors which would be narrow and progressive tax rates. hence, the money that you raise at the end of the day is not very much. >> eliot: you raise and sharpen our focus on the other side of...
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they are saying capital and income from capital should be taxed the same way we tax earned income. that is a fundamental in equity in our tax code. >> that's right. this country in its economy he has done well when we've had policies that have promoted middle class expansion. this is good for capital. franklin roosevelt for all of understanding, he said if you don't have a middle class that works, you won't have an economy for the rich. there's a narrow mindedness that i've got mine and i want more and i'm take it from you if that's what it takes. american economic policy works best when it's building a middle class. >> you go back to henry ford, who is no legal tarian at heart. he said if my workers can't afford to buy the cars they're building i won't be able to sell them to everybody and wanted to raise wages. you have been a proponent of going over the cliff basically saying we're not going to cave because of the threat. do you still hold that position and is there support in the democratic party for it? >> there is. we're not in favor of going over the cliff we're in favor of
they are saying capital and income from capital should be taxed the same way we tax earned income. that is a fundamental in equity in our tax code. >> that's right. this country in its economy he has done well when we've had policies that have promoted middle class expansion. this is good for capital. franklin roosevelt for all of understanding, he said if you don't have a middle class that works, you won't have an economy for the rich. there's a narrow mindedness that i've got mine and i...
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own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread the hysteria and--and if their plan goes through the austerity plan, they and their company and their bonuses are actually the only thing that is going to improve in this economy. >> eliot: as they have over the past couple of years. income disparity is worse and worse and incomes are going up. lloyd blankfein telling people that they people should not expect to work for 25 years and then retire for 30. i don't think he understands what social security is all about. >>> the hispanic caucus said no today on a repub
own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread...
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our tax revenues are down. historically they have been about 18 to 19% of the gross domestic product. part of that is the recession, but significant loss of revenue is because of the bush tax policies, and it was based on this idealogical fiction if you lower taxes it will increase revenues. and their focus was lowering taxes at the high end. we had higher tax rates under clinton, and we created 40 million jobs and had a surplus. then the bush folks came in put the war on the credit card prescription drugs on the credit card, and lowered taxes at the high end, and we had only 700,000 jobs, and had astonishing deficits since then. >> stephanie: the same l.a. times piece even makes that case with the war in afghanistan winding down, the military is asking for less than congress wants to give. so i think there has been so much hysteria over this fiscal cliff that i'm not sure it's warranted. >> that's exactly right. and also the ryan budget you know, their doctrine -- and it really is doctrining. lower taxes for t
our tax revenues are down. historically they have been about 18 to 19% of the gross domestic product. part of that is the recession, but significant loss of revenue is because of the bush tax policies, and it was based on this idealogical fiction if you lower taxes it will increase revenues. and their focus was lowering taxes at the high end. we had higher tax rates under clinton, and we created 40 million jobs and had a surplus. then the bush folks came in put the war on the credit card...
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tax cuts for the top 2%. and they are like here is our offer. if you are going to make a deal at least deal something somebody actually wants. >> yeah. >> stephanie: serious plan. they are like they won the election. >> it is totally farfetched and they are like i don't understand why he doesn't want it. >> stephanie: all right. here she is, jacki schechner in the current news. >> good morning. we already know that ashley judd can show a much wider range of emotion that some. she has been taking steps to assess her options when it comes to running for office. she is doing opposition research on herself to see where she might be most vulnerable. mcconnell will be running for his sixth term another option is to run against senator rand powell in 2016. there is a briefings tomorrow on the september 11th attack on our console consoleate attack in benghazi they the talking points were watered down by the cia. it said the notes did contain reference to al-qaeda but the cia took it off. elizabeth warren has won a sp
tax cuts for the top 2%. and they are like here is our offer. if you are going to make a deal at least deal something somebody actually wants. >> yeah. >> stephanie: serious plan. they are like they won the election. >> it is totally farfetched and they are like i don't understand why he doesn't want it. >> stephanie: all right. here she is, jacki schechner in the current news. >> good morning. we already know that ashley judd can show a much wider range of emotion...
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the payroll tax cut will expire. if you're a working person, you're losing $40 to $50 a week immediately in your first paycheck. the unemployment benefits will expire. if you're dependent on that, your income will fall off the cliff. if you're someone who listens on dividends and financial gains, the fact that tax on those will rise will not put a crimp in your lifestyle and you may not be taking any capital gains until june, july, august, september. those who are most vulnerable are those on the lower income ladder and who are benefiting from the benefits that will expire, they will feel like they're going over a cliff. >> eliot: brian, let me turn to you, politically am i not correct? the pieces of the tax impact that dan was just talking about that would have the greatest impact are the pieces that are the least likely to be extended under any deal. the payroll tax there seemed to be a consensus that there would not be an extension of the payroll tax cut because that is so necessary to funding social security. tha
the payroll tax cut will expire. if you're a working person, you're losing $40 to $50 a week immediately in your first paycheck. the unemployment benefits will expire. if you're dependent on that, your income will fall off the cliff. if you're someone who listens on dividends and financial gains, the fact that tax on those will rise will not put a crimp in your lifestyle and you may not be taking any capital gains until june, july, august, september. those who are most vulnerable are those on...
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tax rate which is now 35%. but i do think that you know, some republicans have floated the idea perhaps of being okay with races tax on his investment income. i think the president in his past budget definitely talked about that. and i think that in a way although so much of the focus is on raising the marginal tax rates, you know, the way that we typically think of individual income be taxed marginal tax rates and races the tacks on those is really an effective way to tax the wealthy. because the well identity disproportionately benefit from those type of low rates. >> jennifer: for sure. and, of course, we know that once they go over the fiscal cliff and those that -- that cap cal gains rate goes back to the clinton era it will be a 20% rate anyway. one way or another it's going to up. that's all i am saying. nancy took cook, thank you so much from the national journal thank you for join is us inside the war room. coming up, the car room is is not in the prediction business but we hear there is good money in
tax rate which is now 35%. but i do think that you know, some republicans have floated the idea perhaps of being okay with races tax on his investment income. i think the president in his past budget definitely talked about that. and i think that in a way although so much of the focus is on raising the marginal tax rates, you know, the way that we typically think of individual income be taxed marginal tax rates and races the tacks on those is really an effective way to tax the wealthy. because...
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all of the bush tax cuts will have gone away. some maintain that in that environment, if the president put forward a tax cut bill for all of those under 250,000, that the republicans would reject it and insist on something for the wealthiest as william. that just isn't realistic. i can't imagine that in that kind of environment when given the option of extending tax cuts or reinstating them for all of those middle class families that the g.o.p. would stand in the way. so from a leverage point of view, i think the g.o.p. one of the reasons i think they are starting to cave on the issue is they realize they are in a far weaker position. >> as you point out let's say we get up to the deadline and the republican position still is: no on the 98% unless we get the tax cuts extended for the top two % as well. you are president obama. do you take that deal or say no deal? >> you say no deal. you say no deal. >> you have to. don't you? >> the election has to have meant something. this was a central facet of the election that, you know, th
all of the bush tax cuts will have gone away. some maintain that in that environment, if the president put forward a tax cut bill for all of those under 250,000, that the republicans would reject it and insist on something for the wealthiest as william. that just isn't realistic. i can't imagine that in that kind of environment when given the option of extending tax cuts or reinstating them for all of those middle class families that the g.o.p. would stand in the way. so from a leverage point...
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the tax cuts entime entitlement cuts. >> i'm not sure that they won't fold on the tax cuts. once again you have to step back from the observation of what's going on in washington now, and remember we're fighting whether or not the top marginal rates should be in the low 30s or not. we should roll back the reagan tax cut but i don't believe in miracles. >> eliot: charles, what you're say something critically important. we're all in a way falling prey to this issue as if they're big issues when they're not. the fact that the rate would go from 35 to 39.6, it used to be in the 90s and 70s and 60s, and capital gains will be taxed at below the rate of ordinary income. we're dealing with the most minimal of shifts and changes yet we're being sucked into the notion that this is dramatic. it's not. >> you divided the republicans in three separate camps. i would say that the difference between the theological theocrats and the tee tea party is minimal. to a certain extent the policies that plays out with the theocrats is economics. four republicans have become identity politics. they
the tax cuts entime entitlement cuts. >> i'm not sure that they won't fold on the tax cuts. once again you have to step back from the observation of what's going on in washington now, and remember we're fighting whether or not the top marginal rates should be in the low 30s or not. we should roll back the reagan tax cut but i don't believe in miracles. >> eliot: charles, what you're say something critically important. we're all in a way falling prey to this issue as if they're big...
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by letting the bush tax cuts expire they get trillions of revenue while preserveing tax cuts for the 98%. how can you be except that? >> stephanie: it's so wear to see a moment of naivete from jim. close the door. >> close the door, wow. >> stephanie: karl, before we go, what is your take on this susan rice thing susan collins now expressing that she's also troubled. >> i'm very troubled. >> stephanie: here's what i don't get, wouldn't he be nominated for secretary of defense any way? >> there's been speculation that he would go up for either one of them. i think he would be perfectly godgood at either one of them, but it all comes down to them not liking susan rice and wanting to blame her for things that happened in the 90s too. >> stephanie: she was also responsible for the coal bomb,. >> we need help with women let's go after one. >> stephanie: yes, exactly. karl frisch, you are delightful. i love you. come back. >> any time. >> stephanie: right back on "the stephanie miller show"." governor tomorrow night. she is awesome. we'll be right back on the "stephanie miller show." [ ♪
by letting the bush tax cuts expire they get trillions of revenue while preserveing tax cuts for the 98%. how can you be except that? >> stephanie: it's so wear to see a moment of naivete from jim. close the door. >> close the door, wow. >> stephanie: karl, before we go, what is your take on this susan rice thing susan collins now expressing that she's also troubled. >> i'm very troubled. >> stephanie: here's what i don't get, wouldn't he be nominated for secretary...
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and then he accuses president obama of taxing christmas. [ applause ] >> taxing christmas. >> stephanie: it's not even worth my energy to explain. >> how do you tax christmas? >> stephanie: you don't, and that's why -- you don't. you don't. [ sighs ] >> stephanie: like that added anything to the show. >> you want an angel on the top of the tree it is going to cost you. obama is going to charge you a million dollars. >> stephanie: all right. forty-six minutes after the hour. right back own the "stephanie miller show." >> on the stephanie miller radio show in suburban america this morning -- >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ [ boy 1 ] hey! that's the last crescent. oh, did you want it? (vo) when the clock runs out when the last card is played i want the people who watch our show, to be able to come away armed with the facts, and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them, you're put on this planet for something more. i want this show to have an impact beyond just i
and then he accuses president obama of taxing christmas. [ applause ] >> taxing christmas. >> stephanie: it's not even worth my energy to explain. >> how do you tax christmas? >> stephanie: you don't, and that's why -- you don't. you don't. [ sighs ] >> stephanie: like that added anything to the show. >> you want an angel on the top of the tree it is going to cost you. obama is going to charge you a million dollars. >> stephanie: all right. forty-six...
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if you want to limit tax deductions tell me what it is you want to limit. if you want to reduce entitlements, tell me how we're going to do that. if we're going to raise taxes or cut spending, tell me how we're going to do this because i've got the american public on my side. >> jennifer: i totally agree with that. i hear he's not cutting enough in this proposal, but in the last campaign he was cutting too much, oh my god. shouldn't the republicans in congress be called out on that hypocrisy, at least by the main treatment media? >> one of the things that think they're going to be cognitive of, they don't have time to change their image with the american public. there is the argument that house and republicans were re-elected, but i think it's clear that the american public did not vote for dysfunction. they want the american government to function. that's the reason why barack obama was elected and mitt romney was not elected. the american people liked most of the president's policies, and they want the government to function. if i were a house member, a r
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they paid a negative income tax. we paid duke energy instead of them paying taxes. the guy seems to be so relevant into this fiscal cliff grand bargaining negotiations is grover norquist. did you this story about who is behind grover norquist, and who he really represents, and i think that's a really interesting story. who is the money behind grover? >> well, grover norquist is an interesting guy. he's obviously captured the minds and the attention of the entire republican party. but i would like folks to look at him a little bit differently. if you look at grover norquist's budget because he has a large foundation that enforces his pledge. two-thirds of his money, 66% of his budget comes from only two billionaire-backed non-profits groups founded by folks like the koch brothers, the bekdel corporation and karl rove. they're worth billions of dollars who would not like to see their tax rates go up. it should not be any surprise that they're giving money to norquist as their enforcer. >> cenk: a lot of those are in private equities and defense and, etc. shockingly th
they paid a negative income tax. we paid duke energy instead of them paying taxes. the guy seems to be so relevant into this fiscal cliff grand bargaining negotiations is grover norquist. did you this story about who is behind grover norquist, and who he really represents, and i think that's a really interesting story. who is the money behind grover? >> well, grover norquist is an interesting guy. he's obviously captured the minds and the attention of the entire republican party. but i...
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there had to be a continuation of the middle class tax cut, and an end of the tax cut for the very wealthy in -- in 2010 they got over 90%, the upper 1% -- 90% over that of the income growth and the third point, the surveys show after the election all of them -- that if you ask people should there be continuation of the middle class tax cuts? yes. should there be a continuation of the tax cuts for the very wealthy? no. the surveys are very clear. >> stephanie: this basically feigning shock at economic proposals that the president has put forward many times before and the voters just voted for, for mitch mcconnell to say he burst out laughing and john boehner to say he was flabber -- flabbergasted it is incredible. >> essentially they come up with a status quo proposal. >> stephanie: right. and the status quo that just lost. >> yeah, they are status quo, and that -- so that won't work. >> stephanie: representative what -- is nancy pelosi -- are we going -- is she going to put that forward this week in the house? the voting on the middle class tax cuts? >> absolutely. we have a discharge pet
there had to be a continuation of the middle class tax cut, and an end of the tax cut for the very wealthy in -- in 2010 they got over 90%, the upper 1% -- 90% over that of the income growth and the third point, the surveys show after the election all of them -- that if you ask people should there be continuation of the middle class tax cuts? yes. should there be a continuation of the tax cuts for the very wealthy? no. the surveys are very clear. >> stephanie: this basically feigning...
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we were paying taxes. there was a little law that was only used once on me, i think a paraphernalia law that said it was illegal to ship paraphernalia across state lines. that made it a federal offense. by the way joe biden wrote the law. >> cenk: i hope you're right. biden and obama don't have a great record on this. let's bring in a different point of view. you and i agree we're optimistic about the laws that we hope it goes in the right direction and spreads across the country. i'll bring in sandra, a member of colorado concern. i don't believe she shares our point of view. what is your take on legalizing marijuana in colorado. >> good evening cenk, happy to be here. i represent the business community, and we're very concerned about the passage of amendment 164 and it's implication for business and for colorado. >> cenk: why? >> that's our concern. >> cenk: i don't get that? i guess if you represent the alcohol companies you might be worried about competition but why the business. >> we're concerned abo
we were paying taxes. there was a little law that was only used once on me, i think a paraphernalia law that said it was illegal to ship paraphernalia across state lines. that made it a federal offense. by the way joe biden wrote the law. >> cenk: i hope you're right. biden and obama don't have a great record on this. let's bring in a different point of view. you and i agree we're optimistic about the laws that we hope it goes in the right direction and spreads across the country. i'll...
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and then he accuses president obama of taxing christmas. [ applause ] >> taxing christmas. >> stephanie: it's not even worth my energy to explain. >> how do you tax christmas? >> stephanie: you don't, and that's why -- you don't. you don't. [ sighs ] >> stephanie: like that added anything to the show. >> you want an angel on the top of the tree, it is going to cost you. obama is going to charge you a million dollars. >> stephanie: all right. forty-six minutes after the hour. right back own the "stephanie miller show." >> on the stephanie miller radio show in suburban america this morning -- >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ [ boy 1 ] hey! that's the last crescent. oh, did you want it? (vo) when the clock runs out when the last card is played what will be remembered? explore the lives of the famous and infamous who changed our world forever. experience the drama, back to back to back. of all the hours in all their days, the ones you'll never forget are the final 24. don't miss the final 24 mini-marathon this sunday on current tv. save the best for last. [ boy 1 ] hey! t
and then he accuses president obama of taxing christmas. [ applause ] >> taxing christmas. >> stephanie: it's not even worth my energy to explain. >> how do you tax christmas? >> stephanie: you don't, and that's why -- you don't. you don't. [ sighs ] >> stephanie: like that added anything to the show. >> you want an angel on the top of the tree, it is going to cost you. obama is going to charge you a million dollars. >> stephanie: all right. forty-six...
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a broader tax reform. it's unclear whether we'll see that as part of the deal that happens before the so-called fiscal cliff and fiscal slope by the end of this year or in 2013, but we could see real corporate tax reform, possibly lowering in this year or next. these things can get lost in the details when folks are talking about the bush tax cuts and medicare and medicaid thinking about corporate taxes. but there is so much that could go in this deal. corporate taxes could be part of it. you would see ceos on television getting involved in this kind of stuff if there wasn't something at stake for them when it came to paying taxes and their bottom line. >> eliot: and another indicator of how far apart the parties are when you hear the debt ceiling where last year things got really angry politically as well as in the private negotiation. you have john boehner saying you are going to have to pay me a price to raise the debt ceiling. as a matter of policy they're saying you pass the tax bill. will there be a
a broader tax reform. it's unclear whether we'll see that as part of the deal that happens before the so-called fiscal cliff and fiscal slope by the end of this year or in 2013, but we could see real corporate tax reform, possibly lowering in this year or next. these things can get lost in the details when folks are talking about the bush tax cuts and medicare and medicaid thinking about corporate taxes. but there is so much that could go in this deal. corporate taxes could be part of it. you...
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more than they would ever need for a tax cut. the president said the senate says i have my pen. i am ready to sign it. all we need is a vote in the house. why won't that take place? >> trying to get enough signatures for a discharge. >> getting ahead of yourself? >> yeah. >> why no vote? >> it's complicated. i think that what we are seeing now is not any sort of real negotiation. it is a battle of messaging to try to secure aparticular victories. one of the most interesting things about this entire debate is we are focused on the tax season. this is what people feel in their pockets. i think one-of the biggest issues that the white house has to think about is the debt ceiling because last time in the lame duck, they didn't take the republican threat seriously they weren't going to raise it. they thought that that was a lot of hot air on the campaign trail from people like michelle bachmann. it wasn't. if they don't raise the debt ceiling now and they come up with any sort of agreement, john boehner can come to them. >> you are ge
more than they would ever need for a tax cut. the president said the senate says i have my pen. i am ready to sign it. all we need is a vote in the house. why won't that take place? >> trying to get enough signatures for a discharge. >> getting ahead of yourself? >> yeah. >> why no vote? >> it's complicated. i think that what we are seeing now is not any sort of real negotiation. it is a battle of messaging to try to secure aparticular victories. one of the most...
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the risk is if we do go over the cliff, allow taxes -- that means taxes on every american will go up. every taxpayer will go up first of the year. not just on the top 2%. and somebody's going to get the blame for that. we're counting on the republicans -- americans knowing that republicans are to blame. is that the case? do you agree. 1-866-55-press. is that what the president ought to do. 1-866-55-press. one thing you ought to -- before we get back to your calls urge you to consider, particularly if you are one of those families struggling to make ends meet at the end of every month and who's not, take a look at incomeathome.com. no obligation. just check it out. they're america's leading work from home business and they're offering you an opportunity you can do. in matter your age education or experience, you can literally earn money on your own laptop from your own kitchen table 24/67. it is at least worth checking out. if you're sick of living paycheck to paycheck, worried about job security or retirement if your goal is to.earn extra money part-time or full time, they're adding m
the risk is if we do go over the cliff, allow taxes -- that means taxes on every american will go up. every taxpayer will go up first of the year. not just on the top 2%. and somebody's going to get the blame for that. we're counting on the republicans -- americans knowing that republicans are to blame. is that the case? do you agree. 1-866-55-press. is that what the president ought to do. 1-866-55-press. one thing you ought to -- before we get back to your calls urge you to consider,...
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you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously, the lowering would have to be done with closing loot of the loopholes that corporations take advantage of. 26 major corporations last year paid no federal income tax at all. so that nonsense has to be done away with. but substantively, many economists think it is a good idea to lower the corporate tax rate. politically, i think it further hems the republicans in. i think it gives obama even higher political ground than he has now. he already has political high ground. he already has a strong position. he may not even have to do this politically. but i think that this would se
you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously,...
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tax cuts, big tax cuts for rich people started under george w. bush and then we had the biggest economic collapse since the great depression. what does that tell you? >> stephanie: why can't they ever acknowledge that? they ran away from bush. no one campaigned on george bush. they must know his policies didn't work. why are they pretending they did? >> he wasn't even at the convention. >> memory hole. >> stephanie: gee, who was really front and center of our campaign? bill clinton! kind of weird. >> good president. >> stephanie: mary in pennsylvania. hi mary. >> caller: hi, there. i love your show. didn't start watching it until late in the campaign. and i feel like i found a wonderful friend. >> stephanie: aww. >> caller: my question is grover cleveland -- >> stephanie: his ideas are just as fresh. [ laughter ] >> caller: exactly. if he think the average career only lasts 25 years has he signed up all of those people to the pledge 20 years ago shouldn't we be getting ready to throw him a retirement party pretty soon? >> stephanie: yeah, one wou
tax cuts, big tax cuts for rich people started under george w. bush and then we had the biggest economic collapse since the great depression. what does that tell you? >> stephanie: why can't they ever acknowledge that? they ran away from bush. no one campaigned on george bush. they must know his policies didn't work. why are they pretending they did? >> he wasn't even at the convention. >> memory hole. >> stephanie: gee, who was really front and center of our campaign?...
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give 98% of us tax relief. the things that both sides agree on and then the president yesterday thinks the president is poised to take off. obviously going over the cliff is the last thing anybody wants right now. >> i agree. i hear people on both sides talk about that. it may have been a contrived cliff. i know some folks call it a curve or whatever they want to call it. the fact of the matter is a large portion of any economy is the psychological effect of it. and you can't tell me that middle class -- i'm a teacher my wife and i -- that they're thinking about what happens if that tax bill changes on january 1st and they're making decisions about their spending right now. that's reality. the one thing i agree with republicans on in the 2010 elections was that the economy needed certainty. the thing that frustrates me is it is creating more uncertainty by them not signing on to this and passing it. >> stephanie: absolutely. what i was saying last hour, representative, the thing we're not falling for is some of
give 98% of us tax relief. the things that both sides agree on and then the president yesterday thinks the president is poised to take off. obviously going over the cliff is the last thing anybody wants right now. >> i agree. i hear people on both sides talk about that. it may have been a contrived cliff. i know some folks call it a curve or whatever they want to call it. the fact of the matter is a large portion of any economy is the psychological effect of it. and you can't tell me that...
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we don't tax wealth. i think the suggestion is a principle that i will take into into the comprehensive tax reforms because i believe that wealth should be taxed. you cannot hide it in the cayman island. you can't hide it in capital gains. why should that be taxed at a different rate? because you're going to reinvest that money? that didn't happen in 2001 or 2003. the unemployment rate there is horrible. president bush had a terrible second term, lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. what the heck are we talking about here? where is the proof? where is the data. >> stephanie: representative john boehner said this yesterday. >> sound byte: the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. >> oh, shut up. >> caller: that's a great line. >> stephanie: this is what the president ran on. this was not a victory lap. this was the defining argument of the election that he just won. the american people voted for this. this is what we should be doing. >> caller: stephanie, i only hope, i would not say this
we don't tax wealth. i think the suggestion is a principle that i will take into into the comprehensive tax reforms because i believe that wealth should be taxed. you cannot hide it in the cayman island. you can't hide it in capital gains. why should that be taxed at a different rate? because you're going to reinvest that money? that didn't happen in 2001 or 2003. the unemployment rate there is horrible. president bush had a terrible second term, lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. what the...
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the relative and absolute tax burden of the federal income tax on the, you know, income taxes in general, you'll find that the burdens are on the lower income groups. >> eliot: we've got to stop it there, thank you, you are a patriot, you want to pay more. that's "viewpoint" for this week. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> bill: hey, hey, hello everybody. it is tuesday. >> bill: good morning, everybody. happy friday. it is friday december 7th, so good to see you today. welcome to the "full-court press" here on current tv coming at you live all across this great land of ours with all of the news of the morning from our nation's capitol. >> that's where you find us right here on capitol hill. we will tell you what's happening in our nation's capitol and give you a chance to get involved in the conversation at 866-55-press. how about a big news today? south carolina's jim demint announced he is going to resign from the senate to head the heritage foundation. that is good news not senate. at a time gets rid of one of the most whacko extremist members of the senate. bad news for the heritage foundation be
the relative and absolute tax burden of the federal income tax on the, you know, income taxes in general, you'll find that the burdens are on the lower income groups. >> eliot: we've got to stop it there, thank you, you are a patriot, you want to pay more. that's "viewpoint" for this week. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> bill: hey, hey, hello everybody. it is tuesday. >> bill: good morning, everybody. happy friday. it is friday december 7th, so good to see you today. welcome to...
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$2,000 more in taxes. we will give a tax increase. we will raise taxes on 98% of americans unless you give us another tax break for our buddies and millionaires and billionaires, the top 2% in the country. you can't blame even mitch mcconnell any more. it's john boehner who is standing in the way. he did so again the republicans give this babble. the president says what's your plan? what do you want to cut? close loopholes. what loopholes? they won't say. to them, nothing. a detailed plan versus nothing. you've got a existed in in president obama versus a lose her in john boehner. and here is boehner again yesterday, on fox news sunday saying, when he looked at the president's proposal, oh my god. >> i was flabbergasted. >> flabbergasted. >> he can't be serious. i just have never seen anything like it. we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year three weeks have been wasted with the nonsense. who is flabbergasted anymore? have you ever heard that word? >> peter: an old word. >> 1920s
$2,000 more in taxes. we will give a tax increase. we will raise taxes on 98% of americans unless you give us another tax break for our buddies and millionaires and billionaires, the top 2% in the country. you can't blame even mitch mcconnell any more. it's john boehner who is standing in the way. he did so again the republicans give this babble. the president says what's your plan? what do you want to cut? close loopholes. what loopholes? they won't say. to them, nothing. a detailed plan...
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tax cut by reenacting the current tax rates for 98% of americans. that kind of logic only makes sense in washington. in my view, we ought to come to some responsible bipartisan broad agreement now and save all of the chaos and save all of the press coverage of the next five weeks. but we may well not get there. it is better for us to go over the cliff than for the democrats to again agree to a deal in which entitlements get slashed and vital supports for low income seniors, for the disabled, for children who are vulnerable in medicaid get taken away. so that's the bigger dynamic. >> bill: amen to that. i'm going to ask you for 30 seconds, we're right up against the clock. you mentioned this word so i have to ask you. will we get filibuster reform? >> i'm optimistic. we've had some very serious conversations in caucus about it. leader reid has fundamentally changed his view from two years ago when we discussed it before. the proposals that the democrats have put on the table for rules reform are modest and responsible. it is essentially this. if you'
tax cut by reenacting the current tax rates for 98% of americans. that kind of logic only makes sense in washington. in my view, we ought to come to some responsible bipartisan broad agreement now and save all of the chaos and save all of the press coverage of the next five weeks. but we may well not get there. it is better for us to go over the cliff than for the democrats to again agree to a deal in which entitlements get slashed and vital supports for low income seniors, for the disabled,...
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now in retrospect i could have told barack obama in 2009 if you had a third of the package as tax cuts then republicans who are traditionally more comfortable with tax cuts may just pocket that and attack to other components of the program. that is exactly right. it appears that the president's team has finally learned that lesson, which is very reassuring. i'm going to bring in michael shure, our epic political correspondent. they're even running ads now or it seems like ads campaign ads even though the campaign is over. let me show you one of them, and then get your reaction. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> the polling is with the president. the clear mandate of this election was that the majority of americans agreed with president obama's vision of one of the ways to fix the fiscal cliff had to be to put new revenues and raise the tax rates of the wealthiest americans. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: so taking this case to the american people fighting strong, making his own case which he we've been asking him to do for four straight years. my reaction was this. >> flabbergasted. [ laughing ] >> cen
now in retrospect i could have told barack obama in 2009 if you had a third of the package as tax cuts then republicans who are traditionally more comfortable with tax cuts may just pocket that and attack to other components of the program. that is exactly right. it appears that the president's team has finally learned that lesson, which is very reassuring. i'm going to bring in michael shure, our epic political correspondent. they're even running ads now or it seems like ads campaign ads even...
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he's going to lower the tax rates anyway. he never explained it, did he, michael? >> not once. there was zero specificity, as carney said, you would have to read the letter and see. >> cenk: just trust me, nonsense right? the $600 billion changes to medicare and medicaid, they're cutting mandatory programs, cutting discretionary spending, $300 billion and by the way $200 billion in cuts to social security but changing the consumer price index. as you look at this, it looks really unpopular. >> it is, too. boehner's in a tough spot right now, because you have defected, yes, held the house but their house caucus is fractured. you have people in the tea party wing saying under no circumstances are we going to vote for anything that increases taxes. >> the heritage foundation and conservatives fighting back to boehner saying it's not enough. we need much more. we need to you hack away at social security and medicare more, so now boehner is between a rock and a hard place thee theoretically. it's atrue we don't want to have too much sympathy for john boehner. >> let's cry. >> and yo
he's going to lower the tax rates anyway. he never explained it, did he, michael? >> not once. there was zero specificity, as carney said, you would have to read the letter and see. >> cenk: just trust me, nonsense right? the $600 billion changes to medicare and medicaid, they're cutting mandatory programs, cutting discretionary spending, $300 billion and by the way $200 billion in cuts to social security but changing the consumer price index. as you look at this, it looks really...
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they will not raise tax rates. they will not raise taxes on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. they say no way. no how will that be included. they're dead wrong. they're wasting time. when i saw that proposal yesterday, to coin a word, you know what my reaction was? i was flabbergasted! oh, my god. i was flabbergasted. >> thank you mr. speaker. >> bill: john boehner isn't the only one. flabbergasted that they would have the audacity to put something like that forward when they know it's not going anywhere. it's a total joke. social security has not contributed to the deficit. social security should not be on the table. these guys hate social security so much, they want to get rid of social security and medicare so much that everything they put forward has to have cuts in medicare and social security. so that's a nonstarter. the president has said he's not going to touch social security. the president said he's not going to raise the eligibility age for medicare. and the president has also said jay carney said it again yesterday, he's not even going to consider any bill that con
they will not raise tax rates. they will not raise taxes on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. they say no way. no how will that be included. they're dead wrong. they're wasting time. when i saw that proposal yesterday, to coin a word, you know what my reaction was? i was flabbergasted! oh, my god. i was flabbergasted. >> thank you mr. speaker. >> bill: john boehner isn't the only one. flabbergasted that they would have the audacity to put something like that forward when they know...
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first on the issue of taxes. this is what he said recently. >> on the immediate question of the tax cuts we want to extend them to most people but we also want to engage in a process of tax reform that will ultimately produce lower rates even potentially for the wealthy. >> cenk: there is the president's top advisers talking about cutting tax tots rich to the rich. >> the president has put forward, and to his credit--i don't know what david was saying when he said that the president put forward a package that includes taxes on the top 2%. making the estate tax stronger. two years ago the rate was pushed down. we want it up to where it was before. it includes stopping, and capping itemized deductions for the wealthiest americans. those items together would produce $1.6 trillion in tax revenue. that's the approach we should take. >> cenk: i agree. if he actually did that, fantastic. but internally obviously they think something else entirely, and so let me can you ask you about that compromise. we're raising revenu
first on the issue of taxes. this is what he said recently. >> on the immediate question of the tax cuts we want to extend them to most people but we also want to engage in a process of tax reform that will ultimately produce lower rates even potentially for the wealthy. >> cenk: there is the president's top advisers talking about cutting tax tots rich to the rich. >> the president has put forward, and to his credit--i don't know what david was saying when he said that the...
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. >> coming up, america's lopsided tax code. more and more economists are starting to admit the real problem. >> documentarian of our times on "viewpoint," coming up ahead. ónñ ñ ssing the central park five his newest film. one of the pieces of evidence that led to the conviction is the false confessions. people don't understand why they would confess if they didn't do it. explain. >> these kids were vulnerable. they'd never been in trouble. they were good kids, trying to help. they were in intense interrogations by the finest of new york city's police department for up wards of 30 hours. they're doing things like saying he's there, why don't you go hole. just tell them what they want to hear. you finally think i'm not implicating myself, i'll get out of this. it becomes that circular firing squad that took place there. we don't think it would be done. nobody would confess. this is what happened. it just plowed in and there was nothing, absence of d.n.a., no other forensic evidence, the inconsists nothing, it was those confes
. >> coming up, america's lopsided tax code. more and more economists are starting to admit the real problem. >> documentarian of our times on "viewpoint," coming up ahead. ónññ ssing the central park five his newest film. one of the pieces of evidence that led to the conviction is the false confessions. people don't understand why they would confess if they didn't do it. explain. >> these kids were vulnerable. they'd never been in trouble. they were good kids,...